The 'God' Debate

... This is ridiculous.

There may be an all powerful force controlling the universe and all of those in it. But if that is true then why would this force wish to reveal itself to human kind? I believe that there may be such a force but there is no possible way that a simple human mind could comprehend such an idea fully.

I have one.

God is an influence.

Whether He is real or not, the mere thought of Him, be it because we think of Him or that He watches us, causes us to behave ... well ... differently. If we knew he didn't exist, or weren't all that familiar with the supposed Book of His, would anyone care about Him? No, it's because we all are told about Him that we know something about Him. Some being that flies about, real or not, and looks upon us all. Such simple thoughts seem to weight upon the human psyche, and thus causes us or them ... or whatever, to behave differently than naturally.

Of course, I felt like posting something, all in all. So don't take me seriously.

Tsuneo wrote:

There may be an all powerful force controlling the universe and all of those in it. But if that is true then why would this force wish to reveal itself to human kind? I believe that there may be such a force but there is no possible way that a simple human mind could comprehend such an idea fully.

A simple human mind? Well just think about it, Isn't it the human mind that introduced you to the Concept of God?

the human mind has taken an immense force that nothing can comprehend and manifested it into a more simple form which we can more easily relate to. And thus we have arrived at the concept of god. I am simply saying that there may very well be a force of nature like what man refers to as god but in reality it is simply the theory of chaos

There's a small chance that he/she/it may exist. But I'm 99.99% sure he/she/it doesn't. You always have to have that .1% in case you're wrong.

I am too sure that such a creature doesn't exist. If it did then many deeds wouldn't have gone unpunished and that is proof enough to me that there is no such thing as god.

I think it is much better to believe in your own strength than to hope for some almighty thing that is supposed to be somewhere above the clouds to help you.

Just because deeds and things go unpunished does not mean that God does not exist. Think about it, if we all have free will to do as we please, then we must take care of ourselves, including making laws that, when broken, require us to give out punishment. Conscious and will are two of the only things that keep man from being a beast, after all. As you have said, we have to do things on our own, and not rely on a divine hand to come down and save us everytime we are down. In my opinion, God does not want us to rely on someone or something to wipe our asses for us and do everything for us; He wants us to be strong enough to live on our own without having to lean on a crutch. In some ways, free will is just an illusion. If everything was great, all wonderful and grand, and everything bad went punished, then that would mean that none of us are free enough to make a choice for ourselves. Isn't that what God was supposed to have given us? The idea you have presented makes no sense, in that case. No one can be absolutely certain that God does or does not exist, simply because we have not the means to prove, without a shadow of doubt, that God does exist, nor do we have the means to find God. There's always doubt in anything, even if just a minute amount. I, personally, think that the universe and everything in it is far too complex and vast to have not been created by an Almighty power, God. Look at it, we discover new things about it everyday, and life continues on. I don't think something like our world could just pop up out of nowhere, just exist, spawning out of a giant fart, called the Big Bang. No. I find the idea of God to be more realistic. It's a matter of belief, in the end, as no one can prove anything. I'm not doubting science, either. I just think that there are somethings that just cannot be explained or proven. So, for me, I believe God does exist, without doubt, and that deep things like trying to understand him and what he is thinking and planning is all nonsense. Everything is much more simple than that. You just have to stop looking for it so hard.

Heh, my stance on 'God' has been made clear ages ago. But I'll make it clear again.

I think anyone that spends their life bowed over at an alter apologizing for being human while priests get sucked off by kids, encouraging people to hate homosexuals and reject western values such as freedom of speech needs a dose of logic. Yeah, obey the words of bronze age shepherds rather than the law.

I don't mind the concept of God so much as what people do in his/her/its name. I think killing for things that are intangible, unmeasurable and unobservable is a plain void of logic. Logic is a tool, used by the rational and irrational alike. It's a tool I'd like to see applied more to people's concepts of God anyway.

Let's not fail to think that the most fleet-foxing look at history will show exactly what those thoughts have done for us. Oh, I think God, if he is the all-loving father they pretend he is, will look at what's been done in his name and be ashamed. If he's the primitive, sexist, violent, sado-masochistic and infantile entity the Bible, the Koran and the Torah make him out to be then I'd rather think he'd enjoy it.

Yeah, I think God's a useless concept. Get your face out of the dirt, get your kids away from the priests and stop blowing stuff up. Now get some dignity, get some proper science into you and stop apologizing and condemning and toadying for a God that is morally inferior to everyone on this forum.

I will also roll on to ask you this simple, easy question: What tangible results has God yielded in the last 300 years? Think how much science has done and you'll cringe for even thinking that there was someone more important that yourself or the person sitting next to you. Stop hmming and hawing over the rationalization of an immoral God and just get the hell on with your life. Think about it, this is the only life you KNOW you're going to get. So why not live this one to the full then apologize to God just as you're about to die? The Bible says it's never too late to repent so...have fun!

Yeah, I hate the concept of a God. We need to get some self-respect and actually have a decent look in the sea, explore Space and find a cure for Lilly Allen.

To finish off, A quote from Jeremy Webb, editor of new scientist magazine:

Quote :

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off."

A lovely round off. So there we have it, I've debunked the Judaio-Christian God in under 2000 words.

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Life-what is it, is it a quality of existence that can be proved by an object having 7-8 qualities that makes it a living thing, is it this progression from birth, infitatlism, childhood, puberty, adulthood, aging and death, is it this path we all must take before death, or is it some combination of all 3, I don't know exactly but I will tell you this, God is real, he may not be real to you, but he is real to me.

I could ask you if God isn't real why do the countless people at my church, my friends, my family, people that I have watched grown up, break into the spirit and speak tongues and praize the lord, is it that they all decided to act like they have seizures and make this mass conspiracy to take over mankind's thoughts? No, they are not, they are experiencing something I can not describe and they want to share it. But like I said I don't want to use that as an argument I want to express how I feel about God.

God is an exceptional being, and with exceptional not even being close to describe him because he is above description, I mean if you were God would you take all this shit, people swearing at you, saying you suck and aren't real, if you could make supernova's and cause planets to explode, would you turn into a snail live amoungst the snails, teach them whats what, only to have them spill salt all over you and watch you melt, to save these bastards, because thats basically what Jesus did. Would you love us, ask that if you could do anything and everythin, have every moment experience and pleasure, any feeling you wanted would you have us kill you, would you love us, would you not send us all to hell without a second chance. The fact that we are here alive when one out of a million things could go wrong and kill us all, do anything to you. I love science, I believe science is the medium in which God created and operates the universe like a giant how-to-book, and to those of you who say what about evolution?, I say I don't gave a shit if I came form an ape, I don't give a shit about this human body, because that is all it is a body, we are made in his image, we are made souls, we reason, we read, we choice between right and wrong, we are sentient, we are the only living creature who do things that in the long wrong won't benefit them thier offspring, we give change to homeless, because we ask ourselves what if we were him, the golden rule, I am not and may not ever be, but it would suck and it would be nice if I were him, and I would love to see him smile. This works both ways as we do things that won't benefit us, wehen we are mad we do things to people to make them suffer, just to make them suffer. In short I belive God made life as means to let you do to do, and choose what not to do, and as science advances the things we can shoose from will grow more so, Akuma you are right science has done many things in the last 300 years, so now choose what you will do in your life. You and not just Akuma everybody even me will have to choose which path to follow, will we abide by the rules God wants us to follow that may seem reidiculous to us, or will we do what we want and will we pass/fail, you and I may not like the system but do we all love tests? And the bible says its never to late to be forgiven but to be forgiven you have to admit you are sorry and mean it, God won't accept a fake apology, waiting till the last minute will not work unless you are truly geniune and not just want a cop out. And this is the clincher I love God and I hope you will too, though I am not stupid and I doubt it will happen, but this part might piss you off, but nothing you ever do or say will change that, and tha tmy friends is probably another reason you will use against Christianity and religion and general, the cult-like adoration, and you know what fire away, this is a debate.

= ='' this can all be explained gentically. By simple DNA. Though this is only my opinion.

In the evolution of man, we have been meat, fish and vegetable eaters. concerning animals, the hunters' eyes are pulled forward to track their prey and the herbivores eyes are pulled to the side to look out for the predator. The human's eyes are both, creating periferal vision. A line of sight that we continuously see shadows from, making us constantly check that area every day.

Some of the shadows and lights make us check in case they are predators(speaking in the time where we had to look out for them. now they are used for other things) so since we assume that there is something that we cannot see (due to the shadows and lights that play in that area) creating the thoughts of a god.

First came the paganistic religion ( the oldest one that we know of) that thought there were animal spirits that dictated the seasons. then came the egyptian gods and then a singular god. Who was literally named god. (though in the jewish torah, they call him Yahweh) they all came from this genetic area. basically, in order to understand the world, they make things up so they can fill that hole. humans always wants to advance, if it wasn't for religion, we would still be eating raw fish from the low-tide.

Though the mistakes that we made with religion is that we soon took it as facts instead of assumptions. leaving science to take a slow start. when science arose, they tried to condemn it as blasphemy.Science soon came to be a religion. Math became a religion. Everything we think is the facts of the world, the things that keep the world together will be your god. I personally think that something much bigger than us or this solar system is running the world. but not the gods of the old religions. Just severl trillions of solar systems working together to make our world. The clockwork of the universe is my god. Dark matter is my god.Again, that is only my opinion.

Genetics helped us advance, religion helped us advance, Math, Science, Fuel, economy, and trading helped us become who we are. I dont want to forget that most of the stuff we did in the past is more bad than good, but it gives us an oppurtunity to take those religions and put it torwards another resource to help us advance. God is who you think God is. No questions about it. When someone asks what you beleive in, they're just here for one to three things:

1. to get you to convert to their religion
2. to weigh their own options to see what they beleive
3. to find out what type of person you are

over 95% of people beleive in jesus and God
2% only beleive in god
1% are aitheists or agnostics
and 3% beleive in buddah, Hindu, Shinto, or other such things.

Again, God is Who you think God is. No questions asked. This is only my opinion. I apologize if this angered, or threw off any of you. While I'm at it, I might as well apologize for my terrible grammar and spelling. I hope you understand of what i tried to put across to you.

That's 101% of people in the world? O_o Maths fail xD

the other percent was for the "living buddahs" that monks turn into, even though they're just petrified bodies

I don't think those statistics are correct, I believe it went something like this.This is from wikipedia by the way, and I know thats a debate in itself.

2.1-2.3 billion people call themselves christians but I sincerly doubt they are legit considering religious sincerity, so thats about 1/3 of the 6.6 billion people on this planet.

1.3 bill-1.6 bill- Call themselves islamic as above the same goes. thats about 22.5% percent of earths population

0.8-1.1 billion call themselves Hindu- Thats around 12.5-15% of our pupulation, same rule applies

Their are about 1.25 billlion followers of other religions, again same rules-Thats about 20% of the population.

That leaves around 14% either agnostic or atheist which is around 1.3 billion people. This is probably more because just because you say you are x doesn;t mean you can't just fake it.

People are rather silly. I wouldn't call belief in a God and an afterlife Christianity or any other religion for that manner. That speaks of Deism. I reckon most people are deist :/